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Jack Cluth's avatar

When I lived in Cyprus, we used to go to a topless beach on the weekends. We went because it was a nice beach, not because of the boobies. You could always spot the American men, though; they were the ones prowling up and down the beach with cameras. Ugh....

I'm all for the human body being accepted for what it is (or isn't). Nudity shouldn't be a big deal. Here's the problem, though: If nudity was to be normalized, Madison Avenue would take a massive and collective shit. For years, they've monetized shame and outrage about our bodies...and we've bought into it. I have, you have...ALL of us have. Madison Avenue has created products to meet this "need," even though it's totally artificial.

I'm working to overcome the training I've received my entire life to hate my body...but it's hard. It's so deeply ingrained and interwoven into everything I am that I often don't even realize what I'm doing. We've all been trained that we should strive towards the "ideal" body...but what, really, IS ideal? How do we attain and maintain that idea?

I agree..."Nudity and being naked are two different things." The problem is that we rarely make that distinction, and so the human body has been gratuitously sexualized. Human beings have been taught to be ashamed of their bodies and their sexuality. Why? Because it made it easier for religion to maintain control over us.

Puritanism/Calvinism made shame a constant feature of American life, to the point that we long ago accepted it as normal. That shame has been monetized, it keeps us in chains, and it maintains a needless, ridiculous sense of prudery in so much of American thought and culture.

Why else is porn so heavily consumed within the Evangelical Christian community? Shame doesn't eliminate sexuality; it just forces it to be expressed in odd and sometimes unhealthy ways.

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Gary Herstein's avatar

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"In the U.S., men can go topless; women can’t. In some Muslim countries, men have the freedom to wear what they want; women don’t. Having a choice is one thing. Not having a choice is something else."

This is something I discussed a lot back in the days when I was teaching Ethics. My stepping off point was Dr. King's 'Letter from a Birmingham Jail,' where he provides a collection of heuristics on how to judge when a law is just, and when it is unjust.

1) A law can be unjust in its formulation, in that it makes two (or more) classes of persons and unequally divides rights and privileges unequally based upon conventions whose only purpose is to entrench power in a select group, and legalize oppression of the other(s). Some nuance is needed here, because laws granting rights to adults that are denied to minors are nominally based upon care rather than power. Yet blacks were legally discriminated against on the grounds that they were intellectual and moral children. However, the first case is based upon scientifically valid facts (the human fore brain doesn't finish until around age 25, with males finishing later than females), while the second is based on racism and bigotry.

2) Laws that are just on their face but applied unequally. Laws that stipulate traffic control, or that require licenses for parades and protests, are just on their face. But they were (and still are) applied unequally: black people are disproportionately pulled over for nominal traffic violations while, as King was careful to note, they were disproportionately denied permits for protests. This latter is why he was in jail in the first place.

Laws that require a dress code for one group, or denies them the right to drive, etc, but not for the favored group with power are unjust on their face. Note that the Amish and Orthodox Jewish communities have strict dress codes, but those codes apply to everyone. Men's clothing differs from women's, but both are strictly circumscribed.

Many Muslim women in western societies claim that they *want* to wear their burkas and such. But I cannot help wondering if this isn't really an example of abused person syndrome, where the abused makes excuses for the abuser. They could easily prove me wrong by going a week or even day in purely western garb of their choice, just as I could prove that I'm really free to dress as I like by spending a week or a day in full scale Ren garb (which I dearly love, but which I would have to suffer endless insult and possibly assault were I to go out in the world that way.)

I guess this is a long way of saying that the examples you set out are good ones.

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